Forum:I can't believe this.

Since Q*terplx's block has expired, I sent him a message yesterday on the Dead or Alive Wiki, telling him that his block has expired on the Worms Wiki, and that everyone is inactive these days and he used to make a lot of useful edits here. He deleted my message for no reason. I sent him another one today, asking him why he deleted my message and why he refuses to visit this wiki again. I told him again that he made a lot of useful edits, and I told him that even our admins are inactive, and that I don't want our wiki to die. He just deleted my message again and blocked me for 3 months on that wiki (he's an admin there). This is just idiotic.

Q*terplx, if you ever read this message, don't reply. You are no longer wanted here. I tried to be nice, but you're just acting like a fool. I think you DESERVED to be blocked here.

--Boggy B

176.40.126.247 16:07, June 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a pretty unfair block... If you feel that he blocked you for no reason, feel free to take it to the Wikia Officials/Staff. They will take care of it.


 * http://deadoralive.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:19242


 * EDIT: Wow.. He deleted mine, too, even after I tried to reason with him.. Let's try once more, and another disregard and I'll take i to Wikia Staff.


 * EDIT AGAIN: And again! He responded with this: "Do you have nothing better to do than to go around harassing strangers? I don't even know who you are. Go ahead and report me, please." We're harassing him? I did nothing but try to reason with him... I guess I'll happily report him.


 * Ace Pilot of the Antares Squadron - Gryphus 1 (talk)


 * What a fool. Damn it, why can't my I.P. address change already?! I want to say something to that horrible excuse of an admin, but my current I.P. address is blocked. Please report that fool.


 * Oh, and also... Danuhau, if you're reading this, please block Q*terplx for an infinite period of time. I gave him a chance to return to this wiki, telling him that his block here has expired in a friendly and polite way. He ruined his chance and blocked me for no reason. He deserves to be blocked here permanently, I don't want to see him here ever again.


 * --Boggy B


 * 176.40.126.247 15:25, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * What EXACTLY did you say in your first message? And let's not do anything potentially offensive to him; I don't want the Wikia Staff to question us, as we have done absolutely nothing.


 * And yes, I reported him.


 * Ace Pilot of the Antares Squadron - Gryphus 1 (talk)


 * I was being nice to him. I don't remember EXACTLY what I said, but it was something like this: "Hello, Q*terplx. You may or may not remember me, I'm Boggy B from the Worms Wiki. Remember when Danuhau blocked you? Your block has expired, and I'd appreciate it if you returned to our wiki to make some useful edits like you used to. Almost everyone in our wiki is inactive, even our admins."


 * I regret being so friendly to him and I really want revenge by sending him another message, but my I.P. address is still blocked on that wiki, and you're probably right, we shouldn't do anything offensive to him because Wikia Staff might question us. (One last thing, can you send me a link to where you reported Q*terplx? I'm just curious.)


 * --Boggy B
 * 176.40.126.247 16:56, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds to me like Q*terplx started this, so he's in the wrong. We should have nothing to worry about.


 * And here: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contact/general


 * Ace Pilot of the Antares Squadron - Gryphus 1 (talk)

(Reset indentation) I can tell you right now that Wikia Staff will not step in on this issue, as Q*terplx has done nothing against Wikia's Terms of Use, nor is this a particularly abnormal or sensitive issue which staff is actually needed to resolve. They'll probably say that an admin can block for any reason and just leave it at that.

As for the rest of this conversation, come on. Q*terplx was one of the very few active, constructive users on this wiki back in February/March. You, Boggy B, [ even suggested that he become an admin] at one point. I do not believe that he was the problem here. The actual issue is that Danuhau (then known as NorwaysBiggestFan) [ blocked him] for a pretty minor reason ("bad attitude", which was probably only referring to [ this edit]) for a period of three months (the same amount of time that repeat-offender vandals are blocked for, I might point out). To make matters worse, when [ asked] what the reason for the block was, Danuhau's [ response] was practically to invoke the last statement in my first paragraph above ("admins can block for any reason") as a reason to not explain himself any further. I expect that getting this as a response after being blocked for a vague reason after making a large number of quality contributions would undermine anyone's interest in editing on a wiki. In cases like this, Wikia encourages users to either a) start a community discussion about removing an admin which they see as unfit for the role, or b) "vote with their feet" and just leave the wiki. All Q*terplx did in this case was choose the latter option.

Given the info in my wall of text above, I think it is pretty easy to see why he wouldn't want to come back here again and why he wouldn't be particularly receptive to people asking him to do so. As for blocking you two over on the Dead or Alive Wiki: if it were me, I probably wouldn't have done so for three months (though I honestly think he was going for an ironic echo there), but bringing issues on one wiki to another wiki is generally frowned upon unless it's to bring an issue to Central to discuss a block which can't be discussed on-wiki. Posting one message would have probably been fine. Posting a second after the first was deleted? Not so much. Posting a message with the title "This is your final warning." after three other messages on a similar issue were deleted? Absolutely not.

Oscuritaforze (talk) 21:50, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * This is all Q*terplx's fault. He is responsible for his own actions. And I know I suggested that he become an admin at the time because he made a lot of useful edits. But now I realize the truth - Q*terplx was simply not meant to be an admin. At least not yet. He blocked me for absolutely no reason, and I hated that. I don't edit in that wiki, I've never played Dead or Alive and I'm not a fan, I know almost nothing about it. Since Q*terplx was more active in that wiki than any other, I contacted him there, telling him that he should return to this wiki because of all the useful edits he made. Then he blocked me. That's where I made my mistake, I should have contacted him on a wiki where he isn't an admin, so he couldn't have blocked me, or deleted my message (I think you have to be an admin to delete Message Wall posts, but I'm not certain).


 * Oscuritaforze, Danuhau might have said that admins can block a user for any reason or for no reason at all, but that is just bad advice. A good admin should only block a user for a good reason (vandalism, spam, unacceptable behavior, etc.), but being polite is not a good reason. Q*terplx is not a good admin for taking such bad advice. He could have at least sent me a warning (which is also not necessary). There is another user on the Dead or Alive Wiki who constantly pesters Q*terplx, claiming himself to be Q*terplx's "biggest fan" (and probably his only "fan"), yet Q*terplx is being friendly towards him and usually replies to him. I sent him only two messages, and he deletes my messages and blocks me. If he didn't want to return to our wiki, he could have simply told me why and I would leave him alone. But of course, he took Danuhau's advice, which is bad advice ("admins can block a user for any reason or for no reason at all").


 * --Boggy B


 * 176.40.126.247 22:31, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * I actually don't think that you were blocked for no reason, but rather that you just weren't blocked for a "conventional" (ie. vandalism/spam) reason. In addition to the last paragraph in my first post here, consider:
 * Your request may have been polite, but it's pretty clear that it was also unwelcome. Just looking at it in context (much of what I said in my middle paragraph above), the deletion of your first message could've easily been interpreted as a refusal to return here/an indicator that he just doesn't want to talk about this place.
 * Given the fact that you posted a second message there and some of what you said in your messages here, it's reasonable to assume that you would have (given the chance) continued asking about this issue until you got a response.* (For what it's worth, I agree that it would have been optimal to just let you know that he's not interested in returning here, but I also don't disagree with simply not wanting to respond at all, and I think this is something that we need to respect.)
 * With these points in mind, I believe that the reason why you were blocked was to close off your avenues for contacting Q*terplx. The fact that he also hid his favorite wikis from his profile supports this theory as well.


 * *On a side note, I would strongly suggest not attempting to "[contact] him on a wiki where he isn't an admin". Continuing to attempt to contact another user when they have made it clear that they aren't interested in conversation is a legitimate reason for Wikia Staff to get involved, as such situations are actually considered harassment by Wikia.


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 23:24, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * He did not have to delete my message and could have simply replied to it, and he could have deleted it later. Why would he not want to talk about this place? Is he ashamed that he was blocked here before, or something? Oh well, Q*terplx can have fun in his own little wiki. Good riddance to him, let's forget about him. You didn't really have to make this into a forum, though. But we should keep this forum in case Q*terplx returns so he can read this.


 * Alright, you may not like what I have done, but I sent Q*terplx one last message (my I.P. address changed, I'm no longer blocked on that wiki). But don't worry, I told him that's the last message I'll ever send him and that I'm leaving that wiki. I told him that I meant no harassment in my other two messages, and that he could have just sent me a warning or told me to stop instead of blocking me and deleting my messages, which was not admin-like at all. Oscuritaforze, I doubt that he'll report me to Wikia Staff, I told him I won't send him more messages, so he'll probably just delete that message and block me again. We can just forget about all this now.


 * --Boggy B
 * 195.214.179.219 23:54, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ha ha, he just deleted my message and blocked me again. Oh well, I don't care. I don't make any edits in that wiki anyway. Let's just leave him alone and forget about this, I'm going to take a break from this wiki after I make some edits, so please take care of any vandalism for me. Goodbye.


 * --Boggy B
 * 176.41.161.4 01:34, June 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm losing faith in the judgement of users here on Wikia.


 * Typical, after somebody wrongs us we're always to blame. We started nothing. We only told him that his ban had expired and he was welcome to come back. As a result, he removed the message. I could understand maybe leaving him alone after that, but there were questions that needed answering. Why did he remove the message for no reason? What was it that we did to him? I can understand it was possibly an attempt to close any means of communication between us, but he could have at least told us that. At least. Thus, the second message was born. The result of that? The message being removed and a block issued to someone. For literally no reason. How were we supposed to know he wanted to be left alone? He made no mention of it, so he had no right to punish us for trying to make contact with him again. Sorry we can't read your mind, Q*terplx. Backing up my friend (Boggy), I went in and questioned why he did that. My message was removed, and I was feeling like he was therefore abusing his admin abilities by removing our messages and blocking Boggy for no given reason. I came back with a second message, and yes, it was titled "This is your final warning", but how else do you get it through this guy's skull that I'm serious about this and want answers? I don't accept bullcrap like this. If you wrong me or one of my friends and then punish us for your wrong-doing, I'm going to want to know why. A little explanation was all I wanted.


 * Ace Pilot of the Antares Squadron - Gryphus 1 (talk)


 * You're great, you know that? Thank you for agreeing with me (and I'm surprised you actually called me your "friend", a long time ago, I called Captain Falcon my "friend" once and later, he just says "you're a bad friend, actually, we were never friends"). I think you'd be a much better admin than Q*terplx. Q*terplx, if you ever read this, I just want you to know that we never meant to harass or offend you in the first place. This is all your fault, you started this. Hopefully you'll become a better admin one day, and hopefully, you'll change that hideous profile picture someday. Just kidding, but seriously, I'd appreciate it if you listened to us for once. What happened to you, Q*terplx? You used to care about this wiki and you were more friendly.


 * --Boggy B
 * 176.41.161.4 04:17, June 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I just figured that completely forgetting about that incident and trying to become friends would be the best solution after that blog went down.


 * Ace Pilot of the Antares Squadron - Gryphus 1 (talk)

(Reset indentation.) You're welcome, and that blog still exists, but we can't see it anymore, since the blog is dead and no-one has left a message there in a while. Of course, we can still see it if we actually searched for it, but why should we?

--Boggy B

176.41.161.4 17:53, June 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey guys! I see that I need to tie up some loose threads here. I will be more active now since school's finally out.


 * Q*terplx has made useful edits on this wiki, but he changed. I appreciated his effort to make this wiki a better place, and tried to ask him if he was interested in becoming an admin. To my surprise, he was being rude and he threatened me. Not that I wanted to block because of something personal, but he has threadened others as well. For example, a friend of me from school heard about me being promoted on this wiki, and he thought it was cool. He added a comment here from the school's IP, and he recieved negative comments because Q*terplx knew I had edited from that IP before.


 * About me blocking him: I found it hard to explain why. Of course, he behaved bad and that is a good enough reason itself. Therefore I did not block him for no reason, allthough that I am rightful to do so if I think it is the best for this wiki.


 * Last, but not least, I have to confess something when it comes to the argument between Boggy and Captain Falcon. I saw it necessary to block Falcon because he broke the right of religious freedom when he claimed his religion was the only right one and that the users believing otherwise would go to jail. But my point is: all the users from that argument were only simple IPs, so if I have blocked someone who did not deserve to be blocked, please tell me.


 * - Danuhau (talk) 09:59, June 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * HOLD UP A MOMENT! I said this "so called 'religion'" I believe is in fact NOT religion, it's the truth, and I said all who believe otherwise are in DANGER of falling in Hell WHEN THEY DIE! DANGER! Meaning: possible event turning for the worse. Christians are like "let us help you change for the better" my nana believes Muslims (assuming Boggy B is not in this arm of suicidal maniacs) are like "oh, they don't worship Ali. KILL THEM!!!!" 2. If you call this a "religion", part of my "religion" is trying to get other to believe. According to 9/11, MOST Muslims (again, assuming Boggy B is not in this arm of homicidal maniacs) KILL people for not believing their religion. And 3. I am NOT blocked, and Boggy B was saying I would burn In Hell. And my parents and grandparents told me this. THEY WOULD NEVER LIE TO ME!!!!!!! Now, YOU SAID that ANYONE deleting or editing other people's messages is considered vandalism.


 * ---Captain Falcon
 * (100.40.133.80 12:52, June 24, 2014 (UTC))


 * Captain Falcon, I am very tempted to erase your message because it has nothing to do with this, AND you're just going to start another argument. I thought you were done with this. STOP THIS NOW. How stupid are you? Just because your parents and grandparents told you that means they were lying? It's their BELIEFS. My religion is the truth. You are being racist and I am going to ASSUME that you are jealous of my religion. No sane person would try to continue this ludicrous argument. You are trying to FORCE me to become a Christian, and that is not Christian-like at all. Not all Muslims are terrorists, that is stereotypical and your "nana" is ignorant. You are being very childish. I will no longer argue with you.


 * Danuhau, thank you for telling me that, and I agree with you, Captain Falcon is trying to proselytize. Block him for an infinite amount of time. The problem is, his I.P. address will keep changing, so you have to find a way to block him once and for all. Sorry Captain Falcon, but you deserve this. You wouldn't stop, even after we told you to stop, and it's been a LONG time since we last had an argument. I tried to forget about all this, but you wouldn't let me.


 * (By the way, Captain Falcon, I'm indenting your message because resetting the indentation after it has already been reset is completely unnecessary. This is not vandalism.)


 * --Boggy B


 * 176.43.59.65 13:34, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Danahua. Who are you going block infinity? A fellow Christian who is trying to increase the population of Heaven by 1? Or a Muslim who's trying to increase the population of Hell by 3? Boggy, YOUR being racist! We aren't generic. We are special like every other human in this PLANET. My parents NEVER LIED ME (except when I was 5 and asked what my testicles were for and they said it grew my hair but that's beyond the point) And I SAID MOST Muslims are terrorists, MOST, not you, not YOUR family, OTHER MUSLIMS, I'll leave until you guys talk smack about me again. But until then, I'll pray for ALL of you.


 * Are you dyslexic? It's "Danuhau", not "Danahua"! It doesn't matter what religion you are, or what religion I am, what matters is your BEHAVIOR, which is unacceptable. You're starting another argument, you deserve a block. A PERMANENT block, after all you've done. I'm trying to increase the population of heaven, you're the one who's trying to increase the population of hell. And YOU'RE being racist, you started all this, and you think most Muslims are terrorists? You dimwit. Only a few Muslims are terrorists, most Muslims nowadays (if not all) are normal people, and Islam is the truth. Your parents aren't intentionally LYING when they tell you their beliefs (they're just wrong). At least get a brain if you're going to argue with me again, or better yet, DON'T ARGUE WITH ME AT ALL. And I don't give a s**t about your hairy testicles. Was that really necessary?


 * --Boggy B
 * 176.43.59.65 14:10, June 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * 1.It was ONE LETTER! So no.

2.vice versa 3.vice verse 4.untrue 5.Nope 6.HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT'S RIGHT! My parents did their Job, they are telling the truth! 7.If I didn't have a brain I would already be in Heaven. 8.I meant they said it GREW all my body hair.

---Captain Falcon (100.40.133.80 16:58, June 24, 2014 (UTC))


 * You foolish little dyslexic boy, it was THREE letters. And you misspelled "Danuhau" the exact same way as you did on that blog, I remember very clearly. And everything I said is true. Your parents are WRONG. They're Christians, so they're wrong. Don't argue with Islam, or you'll go to hell. And if you didn't have a brain, you'd be in hell right now.


 * Don't argue with me. I'm playing Worms right now, so LEAVE ME ALONE.


 * --Boggy B


 * 176.43.59.65 20:44, June 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * don't care, so what if I misspell something, I'm NOT dyslexic, people make mistakes, like you first said 2 letters instead of 3. And you can save yourself, I'm giving you one more Chance, if you refuse, I'll leave you alone and you'll be sorry.


 * ---Captain Falcon
 * P.S danahua. I'm a KID FOR PETE'S SAKE! A KID!!
 * (100.40.133.80 21:14, June 24, 2014 (UTC))


 * You misspelled it THREE TIMES! You just said "Danahua" again, right now! His name is DANUHAU. DANUHAU! Why can't you get that through your thick skull?! Your grammar and spelling is awful, and you never spelled "Danuhau" correctly ONCE, not ONCE. Also, YOU'RE the one who needs to save himself, and YOU'RE the one who will be sorry. Just wait until you die. I will go to heaven and you will go to hell. You will never convert me into your false religion. Now leave me alone before I get angry.


 * And we don't CARE if you're just a child. Do you expect us to have any mercy on you? Just because you're more ignorant and younger than us? No. Even for a child, you're just not very smart. Danuhau (let me repeat his name so you don't misspell it again, DANUHAU), block this dyslexic child. Permanently. No mercy this time.


 * --Boggy B
 * 176.43.59.65 22:14, June 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * ...The only thing I'll say about the religious argument is a recommendation not to engage (ie. ignore it). Religious debate can be helpful and thought-provoking but, as you've seen, the only thing they will do on a wiki about a video game series about warring annelids (or, indeed, most any internet locale) is derail conversations. Anyway...




 * Q*terplx has made useful edits on this wiki, but he changed. I...tried to ask him if he was interested in becoming an admin. To my surprise, he was being rude and he threatened me...a friend of me from school heard about me being promoted on this wiki...He added a comment here from the school's IP, and he recieved negative comments because Q*terplx knew I had edited from that IP before.


 * Where did all of this occur? It doesn't look like it was on this wiki considering how there's nothing like that in Q*terplx's contributions, nor is there anything in the deletion log that could reasonably contain the comments* you are talking about. Not only that, but [ none] [ of the] [ active contributors] at the time seemed to know of any issues with him, either. It's also likely that it didn't occur on Central, as all of Q*terplx's contributions there were related to other things.


 * And if these issues happened off-wiki, why didn't you bring them up when you blocked him? I mean, I seriously [ directly asked] if there was "anything going on behind the scenes" in this situation, but you didn't address that part of my message. Instead, you simply said that his block was for "[ Bad attitute towards contributors, and having a superior behavior.]"


 * I'm sorry, but I'm having a tough time giving you the benefit of the doubt here. :/


 * *And if you are talking about actual blog comments, then Q*terplx flat-out hasn't made any of those.




 * About me blocking him: I found it hard to explain why. Of course, he behaved bad and that is a good enough reason itself. Therefore I did not block him for no reason, allthough that I am rightful to do so if I think it is the best for this wiki.


 * As for bad behavior being a good reason to block a user: I agree. The only problem is that "bad behavior" is also an incredibly vague reason for blocking someone, and you haven't actually backed up the assertion in this case in any meaningful** way.


 * As a final note, you may wish to keep in mind that the meaning behind "admins on Wikia wikis can block for any reason" is only that Wikia Staff will usually not intervene in wikis to overturn local blocks. It's still a good idea to make sure that you are able to explain your reasoning behind blocking a user. Otherwise, the theory is that wikis which are not managed particularly well (whether it be from controversial blocks or anything else) will fail and see their communities move on.


 * **By "meaningful", I mean edits which can be linked to as a result of having been logged by the wiki's software.


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 23:27, June 26, 2014 (UTC)