User talk:Oscuritaforze

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the Random fan wishes page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything!

Good luck editing, Orangitu (talk) 06:43, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much.
I love the edits you've done, very useful and not messy at all. If only you were an admin... :(


 * Thanks for your kind words...


 * ...But, uh, do you mind my asking why you don't make an account? I noticed you've been around here for a while and made quite a few edits (assuming that this, this, and this were also you), so I'm a bit curious as to why you don't "take the plunge," so to speak (especially since some useful abilities are unavailable to anonymous users)...


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 18:52, December 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, the reason is because I'm not going to stay in this Wiki for that long. I usually just remove vandalism and fix bad grammar and spelling, so sometimes I might take breaks and just talk to people here, and not edit that much. I don't really think it's necessary for me to create an account. (This message was written by User:176., uh, something...)


 * Ah, fair enough. I was just curious as to why someone who seems to be a significant contributor to this site wouldn't want to make an account, but it makes sense if you are "just passing through" and don't think it'd be useful in the future.


 * (BTW, if you type four tildes ( ~ ) after a message you write, then it will automatically create a signature for you. This is the fastest way to let people know who they should reply to.)


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 18:40, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Uh...
I'm confused, has the Scales of Justice first appeared in the original Worms and/or Worms DC? I'm the one who made the edit to the Scales of Justice page a few seconds ago. Even in Worms Knowledge Base they're not sure if the Scales of Justice was in the original Worms/Worms DC. What do you think? 176.42.93.96 19:34, December 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm probably not the person to ask, as I know next to nothing about the original Worms/DC. (That said, my guess would be that they were not in the very first Worms/DC. It just seems like a concept which would have come once the series was somewhat more established.)


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 19:55, December 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. Thanks anyway!
 * 176.42.93.96 20:32, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Ban him...
Please ban User:82.18.34.160, that annoying donkey is vandalizing like mad and I want him gone for GOOD! If you have the abilities to block him, then block him for a very long time, maybe infinitely.

176.43.197.104 22:03, December 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm just a regular user here, so I'm not the one to ask (only admins can block users). Considering how you've already asked Orangitu for help on this issue, all we can do now is wait.


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 23:41, December 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wait, you're not an admin?! That sucks, I thought you already were an admin, but you definitely deserve to be one. Oh well, we're screwed. Orangitu is inactive these days, and the vandals will destroy everything! You're our only hope, you MUST become an admin! You could be even better than Orangitu (no offense Orangitu).


 * 176.43.197.104 14:44, December 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, considering how I am pretty much a new user, and I don't actually have a ton of experience with this series, I doubt that I'd be a good candidate for admin rights – at least at this point. :P


 * (Also, something which I should have mentioned before: in the case of severe or repeated vandalism which occurs on a wiki which has no admins around to clean up, you can go to the VSTF for help here. In this specific case, I have already reported that anon here.)


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 18:07, December 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks man, that would really come in handy. And thanks for reporting that idiot. Hopefully you'll become an admin here someday. And I didn't know you must have a lot of Worms experience to become an admin here. Since I know EVERYTHING about Worms (not bragging or anything), I guess I would be a great admin. xD


 * 176.43.197.104 18:47, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

GRRRR!
Yes, I DID get a retarded error message, I was about to reply to my friend here, he said the same thing happened when he was about to write his best meme ever, now it's gone! WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS?! When I find out... Oh, God... D:<

176.43.215.26 19:00, December 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Can you tell me what the message said? I've never heard of anything like this happening before, so it may be a bug to report to Wikia Staff via Special:Contact.


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 19:36, December 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Really? But there were two messages, one of them were sent by you... You said "What happened when you tried to hit publish? Did you get an error message?". Oh well, it must have been a useless automated message.
 * 176.43.215.26 20:44, December 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know that there are certain notifications which can occur after the "publish" button is clicked regarding a particular edit, and I know that there are some times where an edit will be completely denied without an error message. However, this is the first time I've heard of a message being received and the edit being denied, but there also being no chance to preserve the content of the edit. Next time it happens (if it does happen again), could you let me know what the error message said?


 * Thanks. Oscuritaforze (talk) 20:31, December 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, I apologize for not telling you what the other message said, I didn't remember exactly what it said at the time but now I think I remember. It said "Warning! Someone else is already editing the page at the same time." or something like that. I'm sure that's not exactly what it said, but I think that's accurate enough. However, no-one else was editing that at the same time, that thing is obviously messed up. As I said before, the other message was a notification that said it was sent by you, but it wasn't sent by you, it was just an automatic Wiki message. Why would they say that nonsense? Edits should not be denied, no matter what. Well, unless it's vandalism... xD
 * 176.43.215.26 20:44, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

(Reset indentation) Ah, alright then. In that case, it was just an edit conflict (ie. the page's content changed due to someone else's edit between the time you clicked the edit button and the time you went to publish). When an edit conflict occurs, the version of the page you attempted to publish will be at the very bottom of the page – below the text as the other person published it – so you can just copy it from there and paste it onto the page.

(In this specific case, according to the history of the page in question, I published my edit (that actually was me who posted that) at 18:50, and you posted your edit at 18:58. I assume that you had started editing the page before 18:50, but hit the publish button after 18:50, which caused an edit conflict due to the edit which I made.)

Oscuritaforze (talk) 21:35, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Oh... Okay.

176.43.215.26 22:25, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Any Suggestions?
Hello there mate. I realized you've been editing this wiki for some time now - I'm sorry that I didn't have the time to personally welcome you. I'm especially grateful that you're helping the other users while I'm not here.

Anyway, reading your talk page, it seems that you have a lot a wikia experience. I'm not sure if you've noticed it by now, but there's quite a large problem with this wiki - the only bureaucrat, Koenachtig, is no longer active. Worms wiki is really shorthanded right now, and I'm planning to recruit more staff members. Without a bureaucrat, that's not possible.

I was planning to attain bureaucrat rights on this wiki, but I really don't know how to do so. The first thing that came to my mind was wiki adoption, but since I'm already an admin, I don't think adopting's the way to go. I also thought about contacting a wikia staff on this matter, but I don't have contacts to any one of them.

Since you seem to be experienced in wikia, do you have any better suggestions? I appreciate your help. -- Orangitu | Talk 04:07, December 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey there, I appreciate the personal welcome – late or not. :)


 * As far as I am aware, a request for bureaucrat rights can be made by an admin so long as there are no active bureaucrats on the wiki (I think the criteria for what is considered an inactive bureaucrat is the same one which is applied to admins for adoption requests: their last edit as listed on Special:ListUsers/bureaucrat must not be within the past 60 days). Obviously, this would not be a problem here, as the last time Koenachtig edited was December 6, 2011.


 * As for how you would request it, I believe that creating a page in the Adoption namespace on Central is the preferred method (probably at w:Adoption:Worms Wiki in this case), though you can always contact Wikia Staff via the contact form.


 * Hope this helps! Oscuritaforze (talk) 04:39, December 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm surprised Orangitu wasn't even a bureaucrat in the first place. I thought he was, but apparently the only bureaucrat here is Koenachtig, and he's inactive, unfortunately. Oscuritaforze, maybe you should become an admin, you would be a great admin. And Orangitu, how about you become a bureaucrat? And another problem with this Wiki is vandalism - vandalism everywhere. The question is who are these vandals, and why are they attacking this Wiki? What kind of idiot would attack a Wiki for no reason? We did nothing to them, so those imbeciles should leave us alone. But I'll take care of vandalism and deal with those vandals - they're going to wish they never vandalized here.
 * Thanks for returning, Orangitu.   212.252.104.31 13:43, December 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. Thanks for your help. I've put my adoption request on w:Adoption:Worms Wiki, though it seems we'd have to wait for a few extra days due to the holiday season. -- Orangitu | Talk 14:01, December 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey there. As you might have noticed, I'm currently collection opinions from the active users on whether or not I should acquire bureaucrat rights. I didn't forget about you of course :p you can post your opinion here. -- Orangitu | Talk 04:18, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Hey there!
Hey Oscuritaforze, I just noticed you have been inactive for quite a while, is everything okay? Also, Orangitu has now become a bureaucrat. In my opinion, you should become an admin (if you ever visit this Wiki again). And maybe someday, you can become a bureaucrat too...

Hope you come back soon! 195.214.179.71 20:22, January 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Nah, I'm still around – most of my edits over the past few days have been in the Template: namespace, so they wouldn't show up in Special:WikiActivity (though they do show up in Special:RecentChanges). Thanks for your concern, though! :)


 * Regarding becoming an admin: maybe at some point? I'm not around here all that often, so I might not be the best candidate for that role right now...


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 21:10, January 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, I understand. But if you visit this Wiki more often, and make lots of useful edits or taking care of things like vandalism, you might be a great admin. Also, your spelling and grammar seems to be perfect, which would be very useful for editing and fixing grammar mistakes. Of course, becoming an admin is your choice. :)


 * 195.214.179.71 21:25, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

Collapsible templates
Sorry to bother you, but I have quite a technical question to ask.

If you've been to one of the many weapons article on this wiki, you may have noticed that most of them contain templates like "xx generation weapons" on the bottom. While these templates are nice, you would notice that they are quite massive. I was browsing wikipedia a while earlier, and I noticed these kinds of templates were usually hidden, and it could be opened with a little [show] button on its upper right corner. I went to some of the popular wikias soon after that, and I noticed that some of their templates also have the same mechanism. I really want to implement these mechanisms on some of my bigger templates. Is it possible that you teach me? I've checked the source codes on wikipedia but I couldn't really understand.

--Orangitu | Talk 02:09, February 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * As far as I'm aware, those mechanisms require some modifications to the site's JavaScript in order to properly function.


 * I'm not familiar enough with coding to write my own version of a script like that, but I do know that there is a version available on the Wikia Developers Wiki. Going by how it's set up on the Terraria wiki (see: w:c:terraria:MediaWiki:Common.js, section labeled "BEGIN List of scripts to be loaded for ALL SKINS"), I'm pretty sure that adding the following code to MediaWiki:Common.js would allow you to import the script here:

articles = [ 'u:dev:ShowHide/code.js' ];
 * After that, I think all that would need to be done is customizing the "NavFrame", "NavHead", and "NavContent" classes in MediaWiki:Common.css (see here, under the section labeled "Styling for collapsible elements"), creating a template like this one, and then adding that template to whichever templates you want to be collapsible.


 * Hope this helps!


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 02:49, February 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * It took some tinkering, but I finally got it working! Thanks!


 * I couldn't get the "collapse" template to work properly though, in the end I just added a "collapsible" class to the templates that needed this function. --Orangitu | Talk 04:49, February 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmm, looks like I was mistaken in which code did what...


 * Regardless, glad you could get it working! I'll see if I can figure out why the template isn't working properly in the meantime...


 * Fake edit: Found it! Looks like the method I was describing (if I had given the proper instructions, that is) would only affect the Monobook skin. I guess it would require some changes in MediaWiki:Wikia.js (or something) to allow the changes to affect the default Wikia skin. 'Course, I don't really know what those changes would need to be, and I don't know why it does work on the Terraria wiki...


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 06:02, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Please fix this.
You're an editing expert, right? Well, can you please fix the annoying, abominable editor mistake in the "Category:Utilities" page? I've edited that page and once I clicked on "Publish", the first few sentences has somehow turned itself into bold and italic letters. This happens a lot, I hate this...

--Boggy B

212.252.2.13 09:28, March 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * Should be fixed now.


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 18:45, March 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * Wow... Nice job. The "'s" after "Worms Revolution" wasn't supposed to be in italic letters, but who cares? Thanks for fixing it!


 * --Boggy B (Note: I'm going to type "--Boggy B" from now on as a signature, so that people will know it's me and not some other random contributor.)
 * 212.252.2.13 20:35, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

IMPORTANT MESSAGE
Alright, only Oscuritaforze, Danuhau, and Orangitu can reply to this message (well, Orangitu is gone, but whatever).

You wrote this on that forum a long time ago...

"I know of a fairly reliable way to stop anonymous users from editing even after their IP changes. The thing is, given Danuhau's behavior throughout this entire episode and his tendency to give very (even overly) long or indefinite blocks, I don't trust that he'll use it properly."

THAT IS WHAT WE NEED! I kept telling you but you wouldn't answer, you need to tell Danuhau how to use this "special ban" you were talking about on that forum so Danuhau can permanently ban Captain Falcon. I want an answer as soon as possible, Captain Falcon is driving me crazy and I want him GONE. He keeps coming back to start more arguments, we have no choice but to use this "special ban". It's our only hope.

--Boggy B

176.41.151.53 22:14, July 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * Are you sure there even is a special ban? I have seached google, youtube and wikia, but it is not mentioned anywhere.


 * - Danuhau (talk) 14:55, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Hey...
I still don't like the way you ditched this wiki for moronic reasons (no offense) without even helping us get rid of Captain Falcon. Your actions have made us believe you're some kind of traitor.

But you still appear to be somewhat active here. Now, I'm going to ask you something. You still seem to have more wiki knowledge than any other user here. So, I'd like to know how you can find out who the founder of this wiki is. I'm terribly curious to know, in fact, no-one knows who the founder is, and I tried the "Special:Listusers" page but that didn't help me find the founder of the wiki.

Also, about my first paragraph, I'm not trying to start an argument. I already know why you have left this wiki, but in my honest opinion, the reason you've left was slightly foolish and I already explained why on KimKilWhan7's talk page (at the "Wait a minute..." section, after you left a reply there). You could have stayed. Ditching this wiki was not a good option, because it's dying now, me and Danuhau are the only active users and Danuhau is the only active admin here. Again, sorry if my tone seems a bit rude to you. But technically, you've betrayed this wiki... Anyway, a reply to my second paragraph would be appreciated.

Boggy B (talk) 06:04, August 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * For starters:


 * Please keep conversations related to this wiki on this wiki rather than taking it to Smashpedia. If you don't think I'll respond here (...which is probably a legit concern, all things considered), drop me a message on Community Central.
 * I check here at most once per month (basically whenever my curiosity gets the best of me), and I'm not going to be editing here much. That doesn't really qualify as "active" no matter which way you slice it, so I would recommend thinking of me as "permanently inactive" even if you see me make an edit or two.
 * Discussing the events which led to me leaving is largely pointless given that the forum required for context has been deleted. Talk of treachery is just silly.


 * As for your question: common ways to figure out who the founder is when they are no longer an admin/bureaucrat are enabling achievements (the founder gets a special one called (by default) "The Creator") and checking the user rights log for demotions of users you don't know. The fact that neither of those yield results lead me to believe that one of two things happened:
 * The founder tag was lost when Wikia moved to a new database way back in 2005/2006
 * The founder simply never edited on Wikia, so his account itself wasn't preserved during the above move


 * If you really want to know who started this wiki, I imagine that only a member of Wikia Staff could possibly help you with that at this point. You can find a list of such users here, and I doubt any of them would mind all that much if you just asked them on their talk page on this wiki. Good luck.


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 10:38, August 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * Why is it silly? You've abandoned the wiki over Danuhau's given demeanor during some old discussion (he has a life too, he can't participate in a discussion which he doesn't want to be involved in), he was simply inactive at the time. And you refused to help us get rid of Captain Falcon, the most annoyingly immature user who has ever come across this wiki, even after we tried to reason with you. Perhaps to you, "traitor" or "betrayed this wiki" weren't quite the correct words to use in this situation.


 * Anyway, is it possible for the founder of a wiki to not even have an account? If so, it could just be some random I.P. address. But I don't think that would be possible, the founder is automatically given administrator and bureaucrat rights and they would need an account for said rights.


 * Boggy B (talk) 11:52, August 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * Your first paragraph above is precisely why discussing those events is pointless. Danuhau wasn't inactive at that time, but I can't really prove that given that the forum has been deleted.


 * Back to the question of this wiki's founder: I didn't actually mean that the founder never had an account, but rather that they never used it to actually edit before the database move. It's possible that account data for accounts which had never edited would not have been preserved due to technical limitations or simply in order to save space.


 * ...And, considering how this wiki apparently had zero articles until about five months after the date listed as its creation, I think it's pretty plausible to assume that the founder didn't do all that much here.


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 20:09, August 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * Eh, whatever. Let's forget about the founder, we'll never know who it is anyway.


 * Boggy B (talk) 22:01, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

UserTags
Sorry to be a bother here! I think I did everything you told me at Community Central regarding UserTags, but they are still not functioning. I hope I did not mess up the pages too much when I tried to do it by the Developers Wiki manual... Could you take another look at it?

- Danuhau (talk) 12:57, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Only problems I can see are that there should be a comma after Orangitu's name in Common.js:

...and this code should go in Monobook.css rather than Wikia.css:

(Note that the latter problem is only a problem with redundancy; the Monobook skin doesn't actually have tags of any description, so the above CSS is required to create and space the tags properly. In the Oasis/Wikia skin (which already has tags by default), the only thing this CSS would do is enclose the tag content in square braces.)

Oscuritaforze (talk) 21:12, November 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Danuhau, if you're reading this I just wanted to let you know I've done the necessary edits. It works now. --Orangitu | Talk 03:15, November 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you both, I can see that it works now! I like to use this as a reward system for contributors, such as PartHunter who is often adding new categories and helping structuring the wiki. It will definately contribute to a better community.

Hey.
Sorry to bother you, but you seem to be an expert at CSS, so I'll need a little help from you. Most assuredly you've noticed the new wiki background which I've made, and it didn't turn out too well as the wiki's background. You should probably read this, if you haven't already.

I know a little Python (and I'm planning on learning more of it in the future), but I know, well, pretty much nothing about CSS.

Boggy B (talk) 12:52, March 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * That actually isn't a CSS issue (though it would be on non-Wikia wikis), but I'll respond more fully in the comments of that blog. Oscuritaforze (talk) 21:57, March 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, so you can't use CSS to edit the background? Damn. Ah well, I'll check out your blog message. Thanks.


 * Boggy B (talk) 23:13, March 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Don't get me wrong, you can set a wiki's background using CSS – even on Wikia. It's just that it is a fair amount more stable to simply use the Theme Designer instead, as technical updates from Wikia (which tend to occur weekly) can cause CSS backgrounds to randomly break. Oscuritaforze (talk) 00:31, March 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, that's... Odd. I'll just try out your method anyway, reducing quality and whatnot. One more question... Is it possible to customize the transparency of the wiki skin even further using CSS? Like, could you make it even more transparent than you already can using the Theme Designer? I probably won't make it too transparent, as in more transparent than it already is, but, just wondering. I'm also assuming it'll "randomly break" if you customize wiki skin transparency using CSS, correct me if I'm wrong.


 * Boggy B (talk) 01:32, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

(Reset indentation) If you are talking about the brown color which serves as the background for the content area, then you can change that part's transparency by adding the following to MediaWiki:Wikia.css: ...where the opacity ranges from 0.0 (fully transparent) to 1.0 (fully opaque).

Oscuritaforze (talk) 23:04, March 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * Nah, no need for that, Koenachtig and I are planning on changing the wiki's colors anyway, as you can see here.


 * Boggy B (talk) 23:10, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

Chat Icons
Again, you're experienced with CSS, so we'll need some help from you, regarding the chat.

First, shrink each of these photos to 19x19 pixels (I could shrink them myself, though I have a little problem with doing so), we want these icons to be as large as possible in the chat. Using CSS, we want the Grenade icon set for chat moderators, the Holy Hand Grenade icon set for administrators, and the Concrete Donkey icon set for bureaucrats (if it's possible, the bureaucrat icon must overwrite the admin icon since you'd have to be a bureaucrat and an admin to have power in the chat, bureaucrats have no chat powers without admin rights, not even a star next to their name, and if the bureaucrat icon cannot overwrite the admin icon, then it'd be useless). How do we do this?

Thanks.

Boggy B (talk) 17:36, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Here you go. The Concrete Donkey image looks a little squished, but I think it'll be good enough for now.

Anyway, setting the images to be used as icons for each group via CSS is pretty straightforward, and has [ already been mostly set up by Orangitu]. The only thing you'd want to change is the image links, if you want to go with the icons I created above:

Actually getting the admin icon to function is slightly more difficult, as it involves adding some custom JS. In order to do this, you'd want to add the following to MediaWiki:Chat.js: (You'd also want to include a comment mentioning that the above code was written on RuneScape Wiki, as although the version above includes a minor modification from me, the original code comes from here.)

If you want to have a separate icon for bureaucrats, then you'd also want to add the following to MediaWiki:Chat.css: ...then, I'm pretty sure you'd want to add this to Chat.js: Considering how (as you said) bureaucrats don't have any additional abilities over admins, though, consider just having bureaucrats use the admin icon and saving the bureaucrat icon for Wikia Staff or something.

Oscuritaforze (talk) 19:38, April 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'll get Koenachtig to do it since, well, I don't want to fuck everything up.


 * About the bureaucrat icon, I'd honestly prefer it this way, so people could distinguish admins from bureaucrats, even if they have no additional abilities in the chat. Staff already have their own unique icon, and they probably wouldn't appreciate having it replaced when coming to this wiki. Besides, no way is there going to be a bureaucrat on this wiki without admin rights. Thanks again.


 * Boggy B (talk) 20:33, April 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * I apologize for not giving the due credit in my code. It was mostly just a test drive I made at 12AM in the morning, and I only planned to add it once it actually worked properly. Thanks for fixing it up though, especially on the javascript section. --Orangitu Talk  03:18, April 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey Oscuritaforze, we have a bit of a problem.


 * The bureaucrat icon (Concrete Donkey) appears near chat moderators, instead of the chat moderator icon (Grenade). Here is a screenshot. Could it be a bug, or erroneous coding? Other than that, everything else works fine, the admin icon (Holy Hand Grenade) works for admins, the bureaucrat icon works for bureaucratic admins (and chat mods apparently) and not bureaucrats who have no admin rights, since I've tested it myself. No icon appears for non-admin bureaucrats at all. So, our only problem is the chat mod icon being replaced by the bureaucrat icon.


 * Think we could fix this?


 * EDIT: Ah, I forgot something to add something - whenever I come to the chat, for a split second, all the chat icons turn into the chat mod icon (regardless of whether they're the bureaucrat icons or admin icons), then back to normal. Is that normal, or is it a bug/coding mistake? I've never seen chat icons flicker like that before.


 * EDIT #2: Err, sorry, another thing... We've noticed that the chat icons flicker intermittently, not only for when you start up the chat. They flicker significantly more quickly than they do upon opening the chat. Is this a bug too? (Hope I'm not asking for too much.)


 * Boggy B (talk) 13:54, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

(Reset indentation) The JS that marks admins and bureaucrats works by finding users who are in the "chat-mod" class, then adding them to the "admin" or "bureaucrat" classes if it is found that their usernames are not on the list of users who are not in those groups. The thing is, these lists have to be updated manually by editing MediaWiki:Chat.js. Until this happens, every chat mod will have both the "admin" and "bureaucrat" classes and will gain the appropriate icon according to the modifications in MediaWiki:Chat.css.

So, if you were to give User:Worms Legend 29 chatmod rights and want the icon next to that account's name to be a Grenade, then you would need to change the appropriate lines in Chat.js as follows: As for the icons briefly flickering into the chatmod icon, that's nothing to worry about. I'm reasonably sure that's just a result of the chatmod icon modification being purely implemented through CSS, while the other icons are JS implementations which need a second or two to load before they take effect.

I'm not 100% sure on the second issue, but it might be because the JS to mark admins wasn't originally coded to be used multiple times in order to also mark bureaucrats. The culprit seems to be the "setInterval(function {...}, 1000" part, which tells the functions to repeat every 1000 milliseconds (so, every second). I don't know enough about JS to know a fix or workaround for this beyond removing the part dealing with marking bureaucrats, unfortunately.

Oscuritaforze (talk) 21:55, April 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Alright, thanks. Koenachtig or Orangitu will take care of this (I'm still learning HTML, so I'd better leave it to them for now). One last question - do you happen to know anyone who's experienced with JavaScript to a degree, at least enough to fix the sporadic flickering? Because the flickering looks pretty bad. (Not the flickering for when you just enter the chat.)
 * Boggy B (talk) 00:23, April 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * From what I've read on the help pages, those with admin rights are not actually included in the chat moderator user group on wikia. This means that if it were made to operate off the lists of users produced by Special:Listuser, only one use of the admin marking javascript would be needed (to mark burecrats). The changes to the lists of users without the higher rights could be automized using WormyBot by adding everyone withpout those rights manually, then making it add the additional users without the rights upon user creation and demotion (using relative instructions to put it directly after the code that appears directly above where that code should go), and finding and removing the full length of the code to do that for a user when given the rights. By the way, if burecrats will always have admin rights as well, putting this in the wiki's official policy before asking wikia staff to edit the user powers code for the wiki so they have those powers without being admins (usergroup in the software), they could lose their admin classification without losing their admin powers and the two loops of the icon changes would no longer conflict and change each other back and forth (which could cause the flickering, as the code will cause first the icons to go one way, then switch back the other way almost, but not quite, immediatly).
 * PartHunter (talk) 13:54, April 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * (Just to make this update public, we found that the flickering issue isn't actually a problem with the multiple JS scripts clashing with each other or anything. Instead, it seems to be a result of how people are automatically added to a new CSS class whenever their status is switched to "away". This causes their icon to be reset to the default briefly until the JS reloads and corrects the icon.)
 * @PartHunter &mdash; As I understand it, if the JS were to be made to work off of the actual lists of users in groups rather than the way it currently works now, we wouldn't need any manually updated lists at all – not even one for bureaucrats. Instead, from my relatively limited understanding of JS, we could make it so that the bureaucrat script is the last one to load so that it overwrites the admin script for users who are both bureaucrats and admins. This is all dependent on finding someone with the ability and inclination to actually write such a script, though.
 * Automating adding users to the list sounds like a good idea, but I think script-based bot software would be needed to do that, and I imagine the script would have to be written custom. I actually have a bot account which I use with Pywikibot so I could take a crack at it, but I can't really promise anything.
 * "By the way, if burecrats will always have admin rights as well, putting this in the wiki's official policy before asking wikia staff to edit the user powers code for the wiki so they have those powers without being admins (usergroup in the software), they could lose their admin classification without losing their admin powers and the two loops of the icon changes would no longer conflict and change each other back and forth (which could cause the flickering, as the code will cause first the icons to go one way, then switch back the other way almost, but not quite, immediatly)."
 * Just for clarity, what you are saying here is that you think we should add admin rights to bureaucrats so that they would no longer need to be in the admin group, right? I just want to make sure I'm understanding you properly before responding.
 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 02:57, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * Only if being a burecrat also always mean being an admin (and if this is the case, putting this in the wiki policy so that Wikia will actually make the changes, as they are the only ones capable of adding and changing the usergroups and their powers). If there was any possibility of a burecrat without admin powers being made, it won't work and is not suitable. The easiest way to track new accounts being made would be to look for when pages in the User namespace are created, as all wikia accounts can be found in the list of users, but they only get a userpage when they edit this wiki. Changes to the usergroup of a user go in a log, so watching that log will find all such changes. A simple text finding module that finds text can find the required spot to change the code, and either deletion or insertion modules can perform the change. A find and replace module could also be used if deletion replaced with a space and insertion replaced with the found code and the new code, although a comment could also be used to track the place to make the change (assuming they exist).
 * PartHunter (talk) 12:10, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm gathering that your suggestion about codifying in wiki policy that all bureaucrats would also be admins + packing admin rights in with the bureaucrat user group is primarily (or at least in part?) intended to deal with the flickering chat icons issue. Is this right? If so, then I'd just like to draw your attention to the first part of [ this edit]: we're pretty sure that we have discovered the source of the flickering, and it wasn't actually related to the admin marking script being used multiple times.


 * The bit about tracking new accounts (and after that point, more broadly) is about using a bot to make the changes to the user list JS automatically, I assume? If so, then Koen would have to confirm whether what you are describing is possible using AWB. Whether it is or not, doing that kind of stuff at regularly scheduled times absolutely would require a script-based bot, though.


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 08:14, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to confirm, our beloved bot cannot do this as of now.
 * Koenachtig (talk) 15:43, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

Promotion
You've been temporarily promoted to admin by Koenachtig. Congratulations! Now you can help us with the CSS much more easily.

Boggy B (talk) 12:32, April 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * A'ight, will do. Oscuritaforze (talk) 08:14, April 23, 2015 (UTC)