Forum:I can't believe this.

Since Q*terplx's block has expired, I sent him a message yesterday on the Dead or Alive Wiki, telling him that his block has expired on the Worms Wiki, and that everyone is inactive these days and he used to make a lot of useful edits here. He deleted my message for no reason. I sent him another one today, asking him why he deleted my message and why he refuses to visit this wiki again. I told him again that he made a lot of useful edits, and I told him that even our admins are inactive, and that I don't want our wiki to die. He just deleted my message again and blocked me for 3 months on that wiki (he's an admin there). This is just idiotic.

Q*terplx, if you ever read this message, don't reply. You are no longer wanted here. I tried to be nice, but you're just acting like a fool. I think you DESERVED to be blocked here.

--Boggy B

176.40.126.247 16:07, June 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a pretty unfair block... If you feel that he blocked you for no reason, feel free to take it to the Wikia Officials/Staff. They will take care of it.


 * http://deadoralive.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:19242


 * EDIT: Wow.. He deleted mine, too, even after I tried to reason with him.. Let's try once more, and another disregard and I'll take it to Wikia Staff.


 * EDIT AGAIN: And again! He responded with this: "Do you have nothing better to do than to go around harassing strangers? I don't even know who you are. Go ahead and report me, please." We're harassing him? I did nothing but try to reason with him... I guess I'll happily report him.


 * Ace Pilot of the Antares Squadron - Gryphus 1 (talk)


 * What a fool. Damn it, why can't my I.P. address change already?! I want to say something to that horrible excuse of an admin, but my current I.P. address is blocked. Please report that fool.


 * Oh, and also... Danuhau, if you're reading this, please block Q*terplx for an infinite period of time. I gave him a chance to return to this wiki, telling him that his block here has expired in a friendly and polite way. He ruined his chance and blocked me for no reason. He deserves to be blocked here permanently, I don't want to see him here ever again.


 * --Boggy B


 * 176.40.126.247 15:25, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * What EXACTLY did you say in your first message? And let's not do anything potentially offensive to him; I don't want the Wikia Staff to question us, as we have done absolutely nothing.


 * And yes, I reported him.


 * Ace Pilot of the Antares Squadron - Gryphus 1 (talk)


 * I was being nice to him. I don't remember EXACTLY what I said, but it was something like this: "Hello, Q*terplx. You may or may not remember me, I'm Boggy B from the Worms Wiki. Remember when Danuhau blocked you? Your block has expired, and I'd appreciate it if you returned to our wiki to make some useful edits like you used to. Almost everyone in our wiki is inactive, even our admins."


 * I regret being so friendly to him and I really want revenge by sending him another message, but my I.P. address is still blocked on that wiki, and you're probably right, we shouldn't do anything offensive to him because Wikia Staff might question us. (One last thing, can you send me a link to where you reported Q*terplx? I'm just curious.)


 * --Boggy B
 * 176.40.126.247 16:56, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds to me like Q*terplx started this, so he's in the wrong. We should have nothing to worry about.


 * And here: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contact/general


 * Ace Pilot of the Antares Squadron - Gryphus 1 (talk)

(Reset indentation) I can tell you right now that Wikia Staff will not step in on this issue, as Q*terplx has done nothing against Wikia's Terms of Use, nor is this a particularly abnormal or sensitive issue which staff is actually needed to resolve. They'll probably say that an admin can block for any reason and just leave it at that.

As for the rest of this conversation, come on. Q*terplx was one of the very few active, constructive users on this wiki back in February/March. You, Boggy B, [ even suggested that he become an admin] at one point. I do not believe that he was the problem here. The actual issue is that Danuhau (then known as NorwaysBiggestFan) [ blocked him] for a pretty minor reason ("bad attitude", which was probably only referring to [ this edit]) for a period of three months (the same amount of time that repeat-offender vandals are blocked for, I might point out). To make matters worse, when [ asked] what the reason for the block was, Danuhau's [ response] was practically to invoke the last statement in my first paragraph above ("admins can block for any reason") as a reason to not explain himself any further. I expect that getting this as a response after being blocked for a vague reason after making a large number of quality contributions would undermine anyone's interest in editing on a wiki. In cases like this, Wikia encourages users to either a) start a community discussion about removing an admin which they see as unfit for the role, or b) "vote with their feet" and just leave the wiki. All Q*terplx did in this case was choose the latter option.

Given the info in my wall of text above, I think it is pretty easy to see why he wouldn't want to come back here again and why he wouldn't be particularly receptive to people asking him to do so. As for blocking you two over on the Dead or Alive Wiki: if it were me, I probably wouldn't have done so for three months (though I honestly think he was going for an ironic echo there), but bringing issues on one wiki to another wiki is generally frowned upon unless it's to bring an issue to Central to discuss a block which can't be discussed on-wiki. Posting one message would have probably been fine. Posting a second after the first was deleted? Not so much. Posting a message with the title "This is your final warning." after three other messages on a similar issue were deleted? Absolutely not.

Oscuritaforze (talk) 21:50, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * This is all Q*terplx's fault. He is responsible for his own actions. And I know I suggested that he become an admin at the time because he made a lot of useful edits. But now I realize the truth - Q*terplx was simply not meant to be an admin. At least not yet. He blocked me for absolutely no reason, and I hated that. I don't edit in that wiki, I've never played Dead or Alive and I'm not a fan, I know almost nothing about it. Since Q*terplx was more active in that wiki than any other, I contacted him there, telling him that he should return to this wiki because of all the useful edits he made. Then he blocked me. That's where I made my mistake, I should have contacted him on a wiki where he isn't an admin, so he couldn't have blocked me, or deleted my message (I think you have to be an admin to delete Message Wall posts, but I'm not certain).


 * Oscuritaforze, Danuhau might have said that admins can block a user for any reason or for no reason at all, but that is just bad advice. A good admin should only block a user for a good reason (vandalism, spam, unacceptable behavior, etc.), but being polite is not a good reason. Q*terplx is not a good admin for taking such bad advice. He could have at least sent me a warning (which is also not necessary). There is another user on the Dead or Alive Wiki who constantly pesters Q*terplx, claiming himself to be Q*terplx's "biggest fan" (and probably his only "fan"), yet Q*terplx is being friendly towards him and usually replies to him. I sent him only two messages, and he deletes my messages and blocks me. If he didn't want to return to our wiki, he could have simply told me why and I would leave him alone. But of course, he took Danuhau's advice, which is bad advice ("admins can block a user for any reason or for no reason at all").


 * --Boggy B


 * 176.40.126.247 22:31, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * I actually don't think that you were blocked for no reason, but rather that you just weren't blocked for a "conventional" (ie. vandalism/spam) reason. In addition to the last paragraph in my first post here, consider:
 * Your request may have been polite, but it's pretty clear that it was also unwelcome. Just looking at it in context (much of what I said in my middle paragraph above), the deletion of your first message could've easily been interpreted as a refusal to return here/an indicator that he just doesn't want to talk about this place.
 * Given the fact that you posted a second message there and some of what you said in your messages here, it's reasonable to assume that you would have (given the chance) continued asking about this issue until you got a response.* (For what it's worth, I agree that it would have been optimal to just let you know that he's not interested in returning here, but I also don't disagree with simply not wanting to respond at all, and I think this is something that we need to respect.)
 * With these points in mind, I believe that the reason why you were blocked was to close off your avenues for contacting Q*terplx. The fact that he also hid his favorite wikis from his profile supports this theory as well.


 * *On a side note, I would strongly suggest not attempting to "[contact] him on a wiki where he isn't an admin". Continuing to attempt to contact another user when they have made it clear that they aren't interested in conversation is a legitimate reason for Wikia Staff to get involved, as such situations are actually considered harassment by Wikia.


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 23:24, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * He did not have to delete my message and could have simply replied to it, and he could have deleted it later. Why would he not want to talk about this place? Is he ashamed that he was blocked here before, or something? Oh well, Q*terplx can have fun in his own little wiki. Good riddance to him, let's forget about him. You didn't really have to make this into a forum, though. But we should keep this forum in case Q*terplx returns so he can read this.


 * Alright, you may not like what I have done, but I sent Q*terplx one last message (my I.P. address changed, I'm no longer blocked on that wiki). But don't worry, I told him that's the last message I'll ever send him and that I'm leaving that wiki. I told him that I meant no harassment in my other two messages, and that he could have just sent me a warning or told me to stop instead of blocking me and deleting my messages, which was not admin-like at all. Oscuritaforze, I doubt that he'll report me to Wikia Staff, I told him I won't send him more messages, so he'll probably just delete that message and block me again. We can just forget about all this now.


 * --Boggy B
 * 195.214.179.219 23:54, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ha ha, he just deleted my message and blocked me again. Oh well, I don't care. I don't make any edits in that wiki anyway. Let's just leave him alone and forget about this, I'm going to take a break from this wiki after I make some edits, so please take care of any vandalism for me. Goodbye.


 * --Boggy B
 * 176.41.161.4 01:34, June 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm losing faith in the judgement of users here on Wikia.


 * Typical, after somebody wrongs us we're always to blame. We started nothing. We only told him that his ban had expired and he was welcome to come back. As a result, he removed the message. I could understand maybe leaving him alone after that, but there were questions that needed answering. Why did he remove the message for no reason? What was it that we did to him? I can understand it was possibly an attempt to close any means of communication between us, but he could have at least told us that. At least. Thus, the second message was born. The result of that? The message being removed and a block issued to someone. For literally no reason. How were we supposed to know he wanted to be left alone? He made no mention of it, so he had no right to punish us for trying to make contact with him again. Sorry we can't read your mind, Q*terplx. Backing up my friend (Boggy), I went in and questioned why he did that. My message was removed, and I was feeling like he was therefore abusing his admin abilities by removing our messages and blocking Boggy for no given reason. I came back with a second message, and yes, it was titled "This is your final warning", but how else do you get it through this guy's skull that I'm serious about this and want answers? I don't accept bullcrap like this. If you wrong me or one of my friends and then punish us for your wrong-doing, I'm going to want to know why. A little explanation was all I wanted.


 * Ace Pilot of the Antares Squadron - Gryphus 1 (talk)


 * You're great, you know that? Thank you for agreeing with me (and I'm surprised you actually called me your "friend", a long time ago, I called Captain Falcon my "friend" once and later, he just says "you're a bad friend, actually, we were never friends"). I think you'd be a much better admin than Q*terplx. Q*terplx, if you ever read this, I just want you to know that we never meant to harass or offend you in the first place. This is all your fault, you started this. Hopefully you'll become a better admin one day, and hopefully, you'll change that hideous profile picture someday. Just kidding, but seriously, I'd appreciate it if you listened to us for once. What happened to you, Q*terplx? You used to care about this wiki and you were more friendly.


 * --Boggy B
 * 176.41.161.4 04:17, June 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I just figured that completely forgetting about that incident and trying to become friends would be the best solution after that blog went down.


 * Ace Pilot of the Antares Squadron - Gryphus 1 (talk)

(Reset indentation.) You're welcome, and that blog still exists, but we can't see it anymore, since the blog is dead and no-one has left a message there in a while. Of course, we can still see it if we actually searched for it, but why should we?

--Boggy B

176.41.161.4 17:53, June 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey guys! I see that I need to tie up some loose threads here. I will be more active now since school's finally out.


 * Q*terplx has made useful edits on this wiki, but he changed. I appreciated his effort to make this wiki a better place, and tried to ask him if he was interested in becoming an admin. To my surprise, he was being rude and he threatened me. Not that I wanted to block because of something personal, but he has threatened others as well. For example, a friend of me from school heard about me being promoted on this wiki, and he thought it was cool. He added a comment here from the school's IP, and he received negative comments because Q*terplx knew I had edited from that IP before.


 * About me blocking him: I found it hard to explain why. Of course, he behaved bad and that is a good enough reason itself. Therefore I did not block him for no reason, although that I am rightful to do so if I think it is the best for this wiki.


 * Last, but not least, I have to confess something when it comes to the argument between Boggy and Captain Falcon. I saw it necessary to block Falcon because he broke the right of religious freedom when he claimed his religion was the only right one and that the users believing otherwise would go to jail. But my point is: all the users from that argument were only simple IPs, so if I have blocked someone who did not deserve to be blocked, please tell me.


 * - Danuhau (talk) 09:59, June 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * HOLD UP A MOMENT! I said this "so called 'religion'" I believe is in fact NOT religion, it's the truth, and I said all who believe otherwise are in DANGER of falling in Hell WHEN THEY DIE! DANGER! Meaning: possible event turning for the worse. Christians are like "let us help you change for the better" my nana believes Muslims (assuming Boggy B is not in this arm of suicidal maniacs) are like "oh, they don't worship Ali. KILL THEM!!!!" 2. If you call this a "religion", part of my "religion" is trying to get other to believe. According to 9/11, MOST Muslims (again, assuming Boggy B is not in this arm of homicidal maniacs) KILL people for not believing their religion. And 3. I am NOT blocked, and Boggy B was saying I would burn In Hell. And my parents and grandparents told me this. THEY WOULD NEVER LIE TO ME!!!!!!! Now, YOU SAID that ANYONE deleting or editing other people's messages is considered vandalism.


 * ---Captain Falcon
 * (100.40.133.80 12:52, June 24, 2014 (UTC))


 * Captain Falcon, I am very tempted to erase your message because it has nothing to do with this, AND you're just going to start another argument. I thought you were done with this. STOP THIS NOW. How stupid are you? Just because your parents and grandparents told you that means they were lying? It's their BELIEFS. My religion is the truth. You are being racist and I am going to ASSUME that you are jealous of my religion. No sane person would try to continue this ludicrous argument. You are trying to FORCE me to become a Christian, and that is not Christian-like at all. Not all Muslims are terrorists, that is stereotypical and your "nana" is ignorant. You are being very childish. I will no longer argue with you.


 * Danuhau, thank you for telling me that, and I agree with you, Captain Falcon is trying to proselytize. Block him for an infinite amount of time. The problem is, his I.P. address will keep changing, so you have to find a way to block him once and for all. Sorry Captain Falcon, but you deserve this. You wouldn't stop, even after we told you to stop, and it's been a LONG time since we last had an argument. I tried to forget about all this, but you wouldn't let me.


 * (By the way, Captain Falcon, I'm indenting your message because resetting the indentation after it has already been reset is completely unnecessary. This is not vandalism.)


 * --Boggy B


 * 176.43.59.65 13:34, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Danahua. Who are you going block infinity? A fellow Christian who is trying to increase the population of Heaven by 1? Or a Muslim who's trying to increase the population of Hell by 3? Boggy, YOUR being racist! We aren't generic. We are special like every other human in this PLANET. My parents NEVER LIED ME (except when I was 5 and asked what my testicles were for and they said it grew my hair but that's beyond the point) And I SAID MOST Muslims are terrorists, MOST, not you, not YOUR family, OTHER MUSLIMS, I'll leave until you guys talk smack about me again. But until then, I'll pray for ALL of you.


 * Are you dyslexic? It's "Danuhau", not "Danahua"! It doesn't matter what religion you are, or what religion I am, what matters is your BEHAVIOR, which is unacceptable. You're starting another argument, you deserve a block. A PERMANENT block, after all you've done. I'm trying to increase the population of heaven, you're the one who's trying to increase the population of hell. And YOU'RE being racist, you started all this, and you think most Muslims are terrorists? You dimwit. Only a few Muslims are terrorists, most Muslims nowadays (if not all) are normal people, and Islam is the truth. Your parents aren't intentionally LYING when they tell you their beliefs (they're just wrong). At least get a brain if you're going to argue with me again, or better yet, DON'T ARGUE WITH ME AT ALL. And I don't give a s**t about your hairy testicles. Was that really necessary?


 * --Boggy B
 * 176.43.59.65 14:10, June 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * 1.It was ONE LETTER! So no.

2.vice versa 3.vice verse 4.untrue 5.Nope 6.HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT'S RIGHT! My parents did their Job, they are telling the truth! 7.If I didn't have a brain I would already be in Heaven. 8.I meant they said it GREW all my body hair.

---Captain Falcon (100.40.133.80 16:58, June 24, 2014 (UTC))


 * You foolish little dyslexic boy, it was THREE letters. And you misspelled "Danuhau" the exact same way as you did on that blog, I remember very clearly. And everything I said is true. Your parents are WRONG. They're Christians, so they're wrong. Don't argue with Islam, or you'll go to hell. And if you didn't have a brain, you'd be in hell right now.


 * Don't argue with me. I'm playing Worms right now, so LEAVE ME ALONE.


 * --Boggy B


 * 176.43.59.65 20:44, June 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * don't care, so what if I misspell something, I'm NOT dyslexic, people make mistakes, like you first said 2 letters instead of 3. And you can save yourself, I'm giving you one more Chance, if you refuse, I'll leave you alone and you'll be sorry.


 * ---Captain Falcon
 * P.S danahua. I'm a KID FOR PETE'S SAKE! A KID!!
 * (100.40.133.80 21:14, June 24, 2014 (UTC))


 * You misspelled it THREE TIMES! You just said "Danahua" again, right now! His name is DANUHAU. DANUHAU! Why can't you get that through your thick skull?! Your grammar and spelling is awful, and you never spelled "Danuhau" correctly ONCE, not ONCE. Also, YOU'RE the one who needs to save himself, and YOU'RE the one who will be sorry. Just wait until you die. I will go to heaven and you will go to hell. You will never convert me into your false religion. Now leave me alone before I get angry.


 * And we don't CARE if you're just a child. Do you expect us to have any mercy on you? Just because you're more ignorant and younger than us? No. Even for a child, you're just not very smart. Danuhau (let me repeat his name so you don't misspell it again, DANUHAU), block this dyslexic child. Permanently. No mercy this time.


 * --Boggy B
 * 176.43.59.65 22:14, June 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * ...The only thing I'll say about the religious argument is a recommendation not to engage (ie. ignore it). Religious debate can be helpful and thought-provoking but, as you've seen, the only thing it will do on a wiki about a video game series about warring annelids (or, indeed, most any internet locale) is derail conversations. Anyway...




 * Q*terplx has made useful edits on this wiki, but he changed. I...tried to ask him if he was interested in becoming an admin. To my surprise, he was being rude and he threatened me...a friend of me from school heard about me being promoted on this wiki...He added a comment here from the school's IP, and he recieved negative comments because Q*terplx knew I had edited from that IP before.


 * Where did all of this occur? It doesn't look like it was on this wiki considering how there's nothing like that in Q*terplx's contributions, nor is there anything in the deletion log that could reasonably contain the comments* you are talking about. Not only that, but [ none] [ of the] [ active contributors] at the time seemed to know of any issues with him, either. It's also likely that it didn't occur on Central, as all of Q*terplx's contributions there were related to other things.


 * And if these issues happened off-wiki, why didn't you bring them up when you blocked him? I mean, I seriously [ directly asked] if there was "anything going on behind the scenes" in this situation, but you didn't address that part of my message. Instead, you simply said that his block was for "[ Bad attitute towards contributors, and having a superior behavior.]"


 * I'm sorry, but I'm having a tough time giving you the benefit of the doubt here. :/


 * *And if you are talking about actual blog comments, then Q*terplx flat-out hasn't made any of those.




 * About me blocking him: I found it hard to explain why. Of course, he behaved bad and that is a good enough reason itself. Therefore I did not block him for no reason, allthough that I am rightful to do so if I think it is the best for this wiki.


 * As for bad behavior being a good reason to block a user: I agree. The only problem is that "bad behavior" is also an incredibly vague reason for blocking someone, and you haven't actually backed up the assertion in this case in any meaningful** way. Not to mention: if you actually thought that blocking one of the, like, five (at the time) active contributors was "the best for the wiki", then...I really don't know what to tell you.


 * As a final note, you may wish to keep in mind that the meaning behind "admins on Wikia wikis can block for any reason" is only that Wikia Staff will usually not intervene in wikis to overturn local blocks. It's still a good idea to make sure that you are able to explain your reasoning behind blocking a user. Otherwise, the theory is that wikis which are not managed particularly well (whether it be from controversial blocks or anything else) will fail and see their communities move on.


 * **By "meaningful", I mean edits which can be linked to as a result of having been logged by the wiki's software.


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 23:27, June 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Captain Annoying is gone for now. We need to find a way on blocking a random Wikia contributor permanently, their I.P. address constantly changes, making it impossible for them to be gone for good.


 * Anyway, you may or may not have noticed, but Q*terplx is now permanently blocked. He cannot edit his own talk page, and I requested the ban because I thought he deserved it for abusing his admin abilities on the Dead or Alive Wiki. If I were a wiki administrator, I would only block a user for good reasons (spam, vandalism, unacceptable behavior, etc.), and not for vague/bad reasons. I wouldn't abuse my power. I'm talking about my block on the Dead or Alive Wiki (Q*terplx being the one who blocked me), and I'm not saying that Danuhau's reason for blocking Q*terplx was a bad reason, but it was vague indeed. I don't know why we're continuing this discussion though, Danuhau finally told us why he blocked Q*terplx and we should be happy about it. Q*terplx shouldn't have harassed Danuhau in the first place, he tarnished his own image as a good user (making a lot of useful edits). It seems that he earned his block, although it was rather strange why he questioned Danuhau for his block, even though he knows exactly why he was blocked (harassing an admin). It almost makes it seem like either Danuhau was lying or Q*terplx was trying to seem innocent (most likely the latter).


 * By the way, sorry for the late reply, I read this message before and at first I felt that it was unnecessary for me to reply.


 * --Boggy B
 * 195.142.47.249 13:29, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

There is no proof of any of these things. It's better to tell the truth and just say "I don't like him" or whatever instead of making things up. 72.211.243.114 15:21, July 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * You have nothing to do with this and therefore you wouldn't know and shouldn't worry. Also, stop undoing my edits. It's annoying. As for the "Death sentences" article, it doesn't matter if it's "how it's written in the game", you don't have to worry about such minor details.


 * Also... Q*terplx combined all "Crate" pages into just one page. There were 6 "Crate" pages: "Crate", "Weapon Crate", "Utility Crate", "Health Crate", "Booby-trap Crate", and "Mystery Crate". He combined all of those pages (except for the "Mystery Crate" page) into the standard "Crate" page. The other "Crate" pages (except for the "Mystery Crate" page) are just redirects to the standard "Crate" page. This is unacceptable. If each type of Crate had its own article, it would have more information and there would be more pages in this wiki. Q*terplx also combined the "Nuclear Bomb" and "Indian Nuclear Test" articles, and also the "Girder" and "Bridge Kit" or "Girder Starter Pack" article. This is very annoying. Not only are there less pages in this wiki now, but also less information, since Q*terplx just combined them all into just one article. Danuhau, I'd appreciate it if you undo his edits and restore the articles, making them separate pages again with more information on each page.


 * --Boggy B


 * 195.142.47.249 15:42, July 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * I guess accuracy doesn't matter here. Just write whatever you like, who cares if it's wrong. 72.211.243.114 15:50, July 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * What a horrible comeback. I meant that you don't have to UNDO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY EDITS WHENEVER YOU COME TO THIS WIKI, and you didn't have to worry about such minor details (by that I mean undoing my edit just because of some capitalization). Also, the "W" in "Worm" is SUPPOSED to be capitalized, for some reason it was probably no longer capitalized in the newer Worms games. But it was always capitalized in the earlier games. Maybe the death sentences were written that way in the earlier games. I know what I'm doing, so please stop undoing my edits. Also, I believe the "C" in "Crate" is supposed to be capitalized.


 * --Boggy B
 * 195.142.47.249 16:07, July 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * ...Look. MediaWiki software logs everything. It's incredibly easy to actually prove that you're telling the truth in matters like this, no matter whether you're dealing with anonymous or registered users, or whether the edits in question have been deleted or not. Danuhau just doesn't seem to want to do this. He has not provided a single link throughout this entire debacle to back up his claims regarding why Q*terplx was blocked, and the contribution and deletion logs are against him. To be frank, this makes it difficult for me to trust him; I'm surprised that it doesn't do the same for you. And wouldn't you know it...


 * Captain Annoying is gone for now. We need to find a way on blocking a random Wikia contributor permanently, their I.P. address constantly changes, making it impossible for them to be gone for good.


 * ...this quote ties into my point above! I know of a fairly reliable way to stop anonymous users from editing even after their IP changes. The thing is, given Danuhau's behavior throughout this entire episode and his tendency to give very (even overly) long or indefinite blocks, I don't trust that he'll use it properly.


 * And as a final note...


 * Anyway, you may or may not have noticed, but Q*terplx is now permanently blocked. He cannot edit his own talk page, and I requested the ban because I thought he deserved it for abusing his admin abilities on the Dead or Alive Wiki. If I were a wiki administrator, I would only block a user for good reasons (spam, vandalism, unacceptable behavior, etc.), and not for vague/bad reasons. I wouldn't abuse my power. I'm talking about my block on the Dead or Alive Wiki (Q*terplx being the one who blocked me)...


 * "Abusing" admin rights on another wiki (I have [ already] [ written] what I think about Q*terplx's blocking you and TheShadowAssassin on the Dead or Alive Wiki) is certainly a good reason to oppose someone's acquisition of admin rights on this wiki. However, unless said abuse includes using admin rights to vandalize a wiki (which might even be enough justification for global action against the account), it is a bloody terrible reason for infinitely blocking someone. I'm half-surprised that you suggested it, but I'm actually sorta baffled that Danuhau went through with it.


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 19:46, July 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * I was angry with Q*terplx for deleting those friendly messages I sent and blocking me there. I wanted Danuhau to permanently ban him here for that, and since he ruined his chance to return to this wiki and help it grow once more. Not only did he tarnish his own image as a good user by harassing an innocent admin on this wiki, but he tarnished his own image as a good administrator by blocking an innocent user for absolutely no reason at all on another wiki. So I didn't want to see his face here ever again (not that his face would even show up here again, blocked or not). So... It's not really a "bloody terrible" reason to me.


 * If Captain Annoyi- Err, I mean, Captain Falcon, returns to this wiki once again and starts another huge argument, we'll have no choice but to use that ban you were talking about, the one that can permanently ban a user even if their I.P. address changes. You may not think that Danuhau is a good admin, but I do. In fact, all he has to do is ban Captain Falcon permanently with this "special ban" you're talking about and that's it, he won't have to use that "special ban" again (unless he really needs to). But only if Captain Falcon returns and causes more trouble.


 * I really don't see anything to worry about now. We don't need to know exactly why Q*terplx has been banned in the first place (well, now we already know why). It's over now. Q*terplx is now permanently banned and will never return. We don't need to worry about such minor details why Danuhau blocked Q*terplx. In fact, didn't we already discuss this before, when Q*terplx was first blocked?


 * --Boggy B
 * 195.142.47.249 22:25, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

(Reset indentation) Alright, let's look at this another way. Say Q*terplx actually did respond to your query as to why you were blocked on the Dead or Alive Wiki. Say he said that you threatened him and others, and thus he thought it was best for the wiki that you be blocked. In this scenario, assume that everything else was identical to how it actually happened: your message was not actually threatening, to him or others. It was as you said: just a message saying that he could return if he wanted.

Now tell me: in this case, wouldn't you call him out on this nonsense, or at least ask for proof of those allegations? Wouldn't you prefer it if other people also asked for proof before demanding that you be blocked indefinitely on another wiki? Wouldn't you be somewhat indignant if people didn't ask for proof, and instead just infinitely blocked you on his word? Given your and TheShadowAssassin's responses to being blocked over there even without any reason (true or otherwise), I imagine that your answer to all three of those questions would be "yes".

The reason I'm bringing this hypothetical situation up is because that is what I'm seeing happen here. You are taking Danuhau at his word with literally nothing to back it up. If this proof exists, it should be incredibly easy to procure given the nature of the software it supposedly occurred on. Yet it has not materialized, and it's not for lack of asking. This leads me to believe that a) there is something going on behind the scenes (ie. off-wiki) which Danuhau doesn't want to mention for whatever reason, or b) there is no proof because none of what Danuhau accused Q*terplx of actually happened (or, at best, said accusations were incorrectly directed at Q*terplx in spite of being done by someone else). If it is option a, then hey, fine. I don't like the idea of admins not being transparent with the contributors of the wiki because of the dynamic it sets up and I wouldn't necessarily agree with blocking for something personal and off-wiki, but I'd at least understand why the block happened in that case. But the circumstances of this whole incident (and the fact that he has directly alluded to on-wiki stuff) lead me to believe that option b is the truth.

One last thing: I can understand if you feel that Danuhau is worthy of your respect. However, in my opinion, simply being an admin isn't a reason to respect someone – proper usage of the admin rights is. And, to be frank, I don't believe that Danuhau has used his additional rights particularly well*. So, I don't default to trusting his word.

*I'll go into more detail here if you want me to, but otherwise this is stuff which would've been best suited to his RfA (had I been around at the time), or a request for de-adminship.

Oscuritaforze (talk) 23:53, July 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * Look. I don't care about Q*terplx anymore, and I don't care if I've been blocked on the Dead or Alive Wiki anymore because first of all, my I.P. address changes all the time and second of all, I never edit in that wiki. I am not a fan of whatever game that wiki is based on and I won't bother to visit that wiki again. Can we just move on? Q*terplx has already made it clear that he doesn't want to be bothered and doesn't want to return to this wiki (he can't anyway, because of his ban). I would've wrote a better and more thoughtful reply than this but it's getting really late at my location and I have to go. I don't feel like continuing this discussion right now. Let's not start an argument. Goodbye. (Maybe I'll erase this reply and write a new reply tomorrow, a better reply.)


 * --Boggy B
 * 195.142.47.249 00:17, July 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Alright, 'night. There really isn't much urgency to any of this conversation now that it has actually started, so take as much time as you want.


 * (In the meantime, I would just like to clarify that as far as I'm concerned, this conversation is less about arguing against Q*terplx's block (as it is likely that he doesn't really care anymore) and more about me bringing up some of my concerns about Danuhau's handling of the situation and general merits as an admin/b-crat.)


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 01:20, July 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Instead of erasing my previous reply, I'm going to write a new one, since you already replied to my previous reply.


 * I'm really curious about this "special ban" you were talking about. We need it, in case Captain Failure (heh heh, "Captain Failure") returns and starts another religious argument. I think Danuhau is a decent admin. I don't think he's abusing his abilities or using them incorrectly. We can tell Danuhau to use this "special ban" just ONCE (on Captain Failure, if he returns) and that's it. He won't have to use it again unless he really needs to. By the way, do you think Orangitu is a better admin? Because I don't see much of a difference. (Where is Orangitu, anyway...)


 * Also, I found it annoying how Q*terplx combined a lot of articles back then, when he was still editing. I know he was trying to help, but don't you agree that there would be more information and more articles in this wiki if those articles were separate?


 * --Boggy B
 * 195.142.47.249 12:27, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

I will look at the possibilities of separating those pages Q*terplx combined, because I think it would be better. Oscuritaforze, thank you for being so judgeful... I do not care about what you think of me, my role here is to do whatever keeps this wiki good, including editing articles, involving in the wiki community and blocking users who have proved to be bad for this wiki. If I abused my position, I guess you would be blocked too. You criticize my in what looks like every opportunity, but I do whats best for the wiki, and not for myself. And finally, Boggy... Please take this offer to consideration: you have said multiple times that you won't be around for long, and therefore you have not created an account. But you have always returned, meaning that you can't stay away. I would like to make you an admin here, because I mean you deserve it, but it's up to you - Danuhau (talk) 10:46, July 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think I don't really need to create an account because I mainly visit this wiki to reply to messages and whatnot, I don't make a lot of edits to articles anymore. In fact, I created a lot of articles, but I might stop here, because every article that hasn't existed yet now exists, so I don't need to create more articles. I'm out of ideas, so maybe you can think of what articles need to be created next (if there are any). And I MIGHT still edit articles, but rarely. And I know I was more active than I said I would be, but this time, I mean it - I won't be very active anymore because I don't need to create more pages or edit them anymore, I'll be only here to reply to messages from now on. I can still undo vandalism and ask you to block the vandals, but no-one even vandalizes here anymore. There isn't really much to do here. Besides, I've got a lot of things to do in my life. I still play Worms, but also do other things. I wouldn't be a very good admin if I ever become one, because admins should be active and make a lot of edits... Also, anyone who plays Worms Battlegrounds really needs to fill in that "Lord Mesmer" article I created. Goodbye. (One last thing, if anyone wants to debate on whether or not I should create an account or become an admin, please do.)


 * --Boggy B
 * 176.41.166.3 11:39, July 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oscuritaforze, thank you for being so judgeful...You criticize my in what looks like every opportunity, but I do whats best for the wiki, and not for myself.


 * I apologize if it looks like I'm just criticizing (or "judging") you out of spite, a grudge, personal reasons, or something, but I'm not. This entire situation just rubbed me the wrong way, and your apparent refusal to provide what should be incredibly easy-to-procure proof for what was clearly a controversial situation baffles me. I mean, you didn't even give a timeframe, nor did you acknowledge the lack of evidence in the logs here for what you said occurred! Don't you see how that would make me even slightly suspicious?


 * Speaking of which...


 * ...I do not care about what you think of me, my role here is to do whatever keeps this wiki good, including editing articles, involving in the wiki community and blocking users who have proved to be bad for this wiki...


 * To me, this seems like an attempt to handwave the issues I brought up with some sort of vague appeal to the greater good of the wiki. If I'm correct in this assessment then, well, I guess it might be time for me to bow out of this conversation.


 * Before I do so, however, one last bit of advice: if you are the sole adjudicator of what constitutes "whatever keeps this wiki good" and "users who have proved to be bad for this wiki", then that is a very dangerous attitude to take. Being able to resolve disputes is all well and good, but reserving the final say on everything in the absence of other admins might end up driving away more good contributors than it encourages to stay*, which is not healthy for what is ostensibly a community-built and community-driven website.


 * *If you want a specific example, look at the attribution info at the bottom of the talkback template. The user listed there (one of the most knowledgeable users the wiki in question has ever had, I might add) was driven away due to such a dispute.




 * @Boggy B &mdash; I understand the feeling of not wanting to create an account due to not thinking it necessary; I was in that situation too a while back. However, going ahead and creating an account is a pretty painless process which doesn't really have many downsides. At worst, it will just be one more account to keep track of; at best, you might find that you like the wider culture enough to branch out and regularly edit on multiple wikis. At the very least, it will give you an actual static place to put your userpage rather than having the software identify you by a constantly-changing IP address.


 * And if you are worried about choosing a username, well, "Boggy B" might be taken, but "BoggyB" appears not to be. Just something to think about. :P


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 21:23, July 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay. I made my decision. I might create an account later, definitely not today, maybe tomorrow. I MIGHT create an account, I'm still not 100% certain if I should. But there's a good chance that I might. If I do create an account, don't say I haven't warned you if I become inactive.


 * But there is a problem. I went to the "Sign Up" page and typed in my nickname ("Boggy B") and it said that username is already taken. I highly doubt that anyone in Wikia has taken that username, I believe this is the problem. Somehow an account has been created with no-one using that account. It's like an "empty" account. I really think that account exists, and I think that because when I type a random username in the URL, a message in red text appears, saying "User account '(user name)' does not exist or has never logged in on this wiki."... And that message doesn't appear in the "User:Boggy B" page, or the "User:Captain Falcon" page. You can see the message here. Anyway, can an admin get rid of that "User:Boggy B" page so I can create an account with the username I want?


 * --Boggy B
 * 195.142.45.159 22:39, July 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Good to hear that you're considering making an account! However, local admins can't delete an account in order to make it available for another user to claim. That is something which you would need to talk to Wikia Staff about, though note that I've never heard of a staff member actually deleting an account in that way or for that reason, nor do I know if deleting an account is even possible anyway. If you want to try asking anyway, Special:Contact or directly asking a staff member on their message wall on Central would probably be best (if you want to try the latter, Sannse would probably be a good person to ask), but you may just need to choose a different username.


 * As for the "Boggy B" account itself: it exists, and has made a grand total of three edits across all of Wikia. Someone probably just made the account, made a few edits on a random wiki, then forgot about it.


 * Same deal with "Captain Falcon", though I actually know that that user's contributions were on SmashWiki. He did a little bit of vandalism there over six years ago, got blocked, then just disappeared.


 * Oscuritaforze (talk) 23:43, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

                    Making this person an admin is "whats best for the wiki"? 72.211.243.114 01:22, July 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * All that was a very long time ago. I admit that what I have done was extreme, and I deeply regret doing that. I'm a better user now. I don't harass users anymore, no matter what they do. The only reason I sent all those messages before is because those users were all vandals, and about that blog argument, do you think I'm the one who started that huge argument? See Danuhau's talk page history and you'll see that Captain Falcon started this never-ending argument. Besides, if I remember correctly, each of those messages were erased, either by me or someone else (mostly me, I think). And about that last link, Danuhau accidentally blocked me instead of Captain Falcon (it didn't matter anyway, because that was one of my old I.P. addresses, my I.P. address changed before Danuhau accidentally blocked me).


 * What I find strange is that you wasted your time finding all of those useless messages just so you can try to prove that I wouldn't be a good admin. Do you have something against me? By the way, I created a LOT of pages, I even created the Worms Clan Wars, Worms 3, Worms Battle Rally, and Worms Breakout articles. Those were mere examples. I also made hundreds of edits since I first came here, maybe even more than one thousand. I improved this wiki in many ways...


 * --Boggy B
 * 195.142.45.159 02:25, July 8, 2014 (UTC)